Politics from the Palouse to Puget Sound

Saturday, November 11, 2006

Fencegate

Seemingly, those opposed to the WSU College Republican's border fence demonstration last week would have been better served to ignore the whole thing and let it die down on its own.

Instead, two WSU professors now stand accused of attempting to deny students's free speech rights through racial epithets and abuse of power.

It's getting worse. This is threatening to turn into a full-fledged scandal.

I have received reports that Jared Johnson, the Director of Multicultural Student Affairs for the ASWSU, has allegedly contacted members of the College Republicans and told them that they are being childish and that the club did not deserve to be on campus. Even worse, he allegedly said the ASWSU was ACTIVELY PURSUING YOUTUBE TO HAVE THE FENCE DEMONSTRATION VIDEO REMOVED.

If this is true, it is a shameful attempt at censorship by a student organization and will almost certainly guarantee the kind of national publicity that the ASWSU is obviously hoping to avoid. I can also guarantee that the video will end up being hosted at a variety of other places on the Internet in the extremely unlikely event YouTube takes it down.

13 comments:

The Red Knight said...

What a bunch of hooey! If the roles were reveresed and it was video tape of the CR's saying bad things to thems, I have no doubt they would be doing everything in their power to get it on YouTube, CNN, MSNBC, and who knows where else.

Being childish? Last I heard this was a serious issue. Last year, when several students were found making degrading gestures towards students in the Multicultural Center, that office wouldn't stop talking about it. Now, when similar actions arrise on campus, the Office of Multicultural Affairs want to chastise the CR's, as if it were entirely our fault? Can you say "double standard"?

Paul E. Zimmerman said...

As it has already been said, I really hope these campus agencies do keep trying to get these videos yanked. Then there will be no way for them to deny that thier fascism; it will be plain as day.

I think I'll start emailing the DJ's who host shows on the Patriot channel on Sirius. I'm sure that at least one of them would pick up this story. Andrew Wilkow would be my pick.

Jason said...

If I may please make an observation, while I believe trying to take the action of having the video removed is just stupid, I also don't believe that Jared Johnson's comments really justify a scandal. They are one person's opinions, and nothing offensive was said, save perhaps that they were acting childish, but hey, we say worse things to people who take our seat on the bus.

But you are correct, YouTube should keep the videos up, and ASWSU shouldn't try to take them down (assuming of course that they are, Jared may have just been stating what he thought they should have done).

WSUCollegeRepublican said...

WSUCollegeRepublican thinks Tom was aggregately speaking. There are things he and others know that are not posted on this blog. If this is not turning into a scandal, then why has FIRE and YAF been contacted? Why have lawyers been contacted? Why are powerful people contacting the WSU College Republicans? Jason... it's FENCEGATE.

Paul E. Zimmerman said...
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Paul E. Zimmerman said...

Jared's comments did not occur in a vacuum, Jason. They're part of a larger trend; that trend is scandalous.

Jason said...

I realize that in the few days or so I've probably come off as a mild to crazy liberal, and I just want to explain my reason for commenting here: I clearly do not share all your ideas, and I have been honest with my role in what happened. However all I am looking to do is defend the official counter-protest and try to find out everything that happened from the CR viewpoint. I do not mean to attack anybody, and should anybody feel attacked I am very sorry. With that said, I would like to move on.


I would, for clarification sake, again like to question why this is such a scandal. Calling anybody a white shitbag is wrong, and to some extent so is asking YouTube to remove the video (if that has actually been undertaken). However, beyond that what makes this a scandal? Perhaps it is a variance in our definitions. I see this as an isolated incident with a faculty member (which again, was vastly inappropriate) and then perfectly fine, albiet very heated, debate between the CRs and others. To me a scandal would have to involved a number of people and possibly a cover-up, or a good kidnapping of sorts (kidding, just trying to liven the mood).

I thank all of you for your time and patience, and would like to be one of the first to say that while we do have our differences, I do hope that we can put them aside and work together on some issues for the betterment of the WSU community and our nation as a whole.

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WSUCollegeRepublican said...

Sorry; typo^^^^

You sound very very similar to a YD member (an officer) caught in the footage WSUCollegeRepublican has received.... If this is who WSUCollegeRepublican thinks you are... then you are that same person that said "it's illegal to film people without their permission." Yeah....

Again... if this is you, you are that same person that chastised The WSU College Republicans for putting on a "horribly offensive" demonstration... Hmm....

Why is this a big deal? Why did Sean libel The WSU College Republicans in a number of emails and bulletins? Why did a professor use his power to stifle Freedom of Speech? Why did a professor use hate speech? WSUCollegeRepublican could go on...

Would you like me to put up the clip of the YD office WSUCollegeRepublican thinks you are?... cause you sound just like him.... You say one thing at the Demonstration, but another on this blog; why?

Jason said...

oiy, and this is why I was hesitant to comment on this blog, because I dont want to be labeled, and I would prefer not to be attacked, all I want to do here, on this blog, is find out what the CRs felt happened, nothing more and nothing less. Threatening to put clips of people on a blog to discredit them does not help spur dialouge that WSU clearly needs. If you don't want to talk about it that is your right, simply say that and I will stop asking questions, however I would prefer the most accurate version of the facts possible.

I can't tell you why anybody took the actions they did in the days leading up to and including that day. Tempers flared on both sides.

You're right, there was hate speech, and that should be punished. However I have not yet heard conclusive evidence that a professor tried to stifle free speech, and that is what I would like. I know there is the professor asking for ID numbers, and I wouldnt count that simply because he was angry about the taping, not anything else (though I can see how others would see that differently).

To me this dosent consitute a scandal, but rather a few people who said things that were uncalled for. I dont say it was right, and I dont condone it. I just say that, to me, its not a scandal.

WSUCollegeRepublican said...

WSUCollegeRepublican is not threatening to put a clip to label you, but you are saying wayyy different things now then you did on the footage.... and you wonder why WSUCollegeRepublican called you a hypocrite?

"It's getting worse. This is threatening to turn into a full-fledged scandal." -Tom key word is threatening.

Jason said...

Okay, thank you, now I understand what you are talking about. I am no here to refute anything I said or didnt say at the protest, all I wanted was to find out what happened from your perspective, just so that I am balanced in my knowledge of what happened.

Thank you all very much for your time and cooperation.

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